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The Cinephile's Aisle
Episode 11: "DUNE"
"My planet Arrakis is so beautiful when the sun is low."
*SPOILER ALERT: Episode contains key plot details from DUNE: PART TWO* In this Season 1 finale, we discuss all things DUNE. Ofili and Steve give their initial reactions to Denis Villeneuve's epic science-fiction sequel to DUNE (2021), the inspired performances of Timothée Chalamet, Rebecca Ferguson and Javier Bardem, the deviations from Frank Herbert's 1965 novel, and what lies in store for MESSIAH. As it was written.
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SPEAKER_00:Who's who's giving you a breakdown on recent movies and films?
SPEAKER_01:Who is who's being inconsistent? Like, come on. Well, how's your week, bro? Uh, it was a good week. Uh going back into pickleball, started running a lot more for like run club and stuff because I'm doing a half marathon in July.
SPEAKER_00:So did you see that tweet? Wait, they were like, as you approach 30, all your friends just start running half marathons and marathons.
SPEAKER_01:It's too like it's one of those things where you grow up playing football. Like footy is like really just it's a lot of running, bro. You're playing on a full pitch, it's like a decent amount of running. And yeah, if you go from that to like either playing in Chamuros or Ben playing at all, just like tangible club ball, you're gonna miss that fitness.
SPEAKER_00:That's true. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:What about you? How's your week?
SPEAKER_00:Uh, my week was good. Excited to say I saw a movie every day and I saw Dune part two twice, and I cannot get that. You know, there's a part in the score when Han Zima has that lady just shrieking like ah or whatever she's saying, bro. It's stuck in my head. That's my early morning alarm. And I'm like, I wouldn't have it any other way. So I've listened to that score countless times. I can't get enough. But my week was good. Not much going on outside of that, just the same old work movies in New York, New Jersey, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So okay. Yeah, I also saw Dune.
SPEAKER_00:And uh this is a this is the this is the point. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about the legend, the Mordeb, his sago ascends from Taladin's reign to Arrakis, Destiny's main, in his spice he's ordained, the seer, the leader, the desert's prime dealer. Like Escobar's reach, but in spirit he's a healer. The feminine achiever. His bond across dunes beyond. Of whom we're all talking about Paul, Mordib, Usu, Patrice.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, 10 over 10, man. 10 over 10.
SPEAKER_01:That is an insane intro, bro. I love carrying spiritually. I would have come with something prepared if I had known that was that's how we're moving.
SPEAKER_00:God damn. That light about Escobar, what did you even say?
SPEAKER_01:Some some something the desert prime dealer. Like Escobar is reading. You got spice.
SPEAKER_00:You have cooked successfully, man.
SPEAKER_01:Like real talk, spice is coke.
SPEAKER_00:I know, I know, I agree. Talking about, oh, this is essential for space travel. Okay. I mean, I don't do coke, but I imagine if I do coke, I would also get so high and feel like I could float through space and time. So I got you, bro.
SPEAKER_01:I think we can talk about this later in the episode. Because like I feel like a lot of people don't really know how how why Dune and why Arrakis is so important to the Empire, and why Spice is so important to the Empire. Yeah. Okay. But tell me, let's dive straight up reactions to the film that you've been waiting for for like three years.
SPEAKER_00:Been waiting for this for a long time. Yeah. Um, initial reaction. Are you asking me for my initial reaction?
SPEAKER_01:Don't do no critic review mumble jumbo.
SPEAKER_00:I don't do that. When it comes to Dune, I don't take any critics' opinion higher than mine, bro. I am I am Frank Herbert himself. But anyway, so I've been waiting for this since obviously since October 2021, which is when the first part was released. I kind of went into that film, not too sure if there was going to be a part two, because the part two hadn't been green-lit by the studio. And so, but like, you know, I think maybe right before I got to the third act or during the third act, I knew there was going to be a part two because of the way the story was going. And so I've been waiting for this since then. I really love part one in case it wasn't obvious. And on the last episode when me and you spoke, I said at the end how you know um Nolan said this was like our generation's Empire Strikes Back, and how he said, you know, this was similar to how massive of a sequel the Dark Knight was. And I'm like, going forward, it's going this was before I'd even seen the film. I was like, going forward, it's just going to be Dune Part 2. So I had very, very high expectations for this. Very high. Let's just like set that baseline. I got in there, and the score already, right from the very first scene, the pictures, it was clear that even if even though it was the same people working on the film, the same crew, everyone was putting in more effort, more intentionality, more attention to detail, the little things, the very little things like the sad current, the way they you know glide through it looked better, you know, it looked more believable, more feasible. Um, and that's just the beginning. That's like the first 10 minutes, bro. The acting, the way it transitioned, like from the first part to this part, every single member of cast has a more defined role, has better like more convincing performances, more convincing dialogue. I I don't we can go like when we talk, I'm sure we'll talk about each person individually, but the cast generally, it seems like between 2021 and 2024, something like woke up in them, and they all just deliver like very, very convincing performances. Um, cinematography. I tweeted this, so this is Greg Fraser's best work ever. Um, should I keep going? My reaction to this was it was a masterpiece. Best sequel I've ever seen. Like in me personally, I haven't seen Empire Strikes Backs, like God Rest That Man 2, but I haven't seen that. But obviously, I've seen all the ones that came out in Our Generation's time. Best sequel I've ever seen, um, best cinematic experience. I've like I I personally have experienced. Um what are you about to say? Nothing. Um listening. Um yeah, I'm not gonna be crazy and call it one of the best films of all time. I don't think it's that. I'm also not going to say it's the best film of the 20s. I think that's um that's very disrespectful to Oppenheimer. Um it was it was a massive, it was a massive success. It exceeded again, like I said, I had very high expectations. It exceeded my expectations. I was not expecting something of this level. I was expecting to be immersed in this world that Deni has been wanting to build for years, and I knew he was going to build a truly immersive world. I wasn't expecting to be this drawn in, this sucked in, and I was expecting it to feel long, it didn't feel long. So all of that combined, like I was exceeded my expectations. That was that's that's what I had that's my initial reaction.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I love that. I love that for me. I think Dune was everything I expected it to be, and that's interesting because like I am a hater. That's it's and you know when you read the Dune books, like because I read the Dune books, audio booked, the second book, audiobooked, the third one. Yeah. It's we we we've been doing it for a while, my guy. We've been doing it for a while, we've been doing it for a while, and when like Dune Part One came out, I was like, what? And I felt like maybe it was one of those things, one of those like little AHD things where like you you read something when they make the adaptation of it, you're not really as impressed because you've already you know what's going to happen. Yeah, it's not new stimulation. But you know, I felt like it wasn't an okay movie. So I thought the second time it's gonna be an okay movie, and you know, like actually, no, let me say it this way. I wanted it to be a great movie, I wanted Point T to be a great movie, but I was afraid that it would not meet expectations because what I told you, bro, the source content is insane, it's massive, it is insane, it's so good. It's not even just about just like the sheer size, it's so good. But the thing is that for a lot of people, and I really want to say this to our listeners who have watched Dune and who want to go read the books, please. This is not an easy reading. It's not 700 pages. Your basic read. Like you you've got a massive world that you're getting like thrust in, and you're also getting a lot of new terminology in English, like a lot of new languages, and I'm just like new words, like there's Arabic also being thrown at you for a good chunk of the book. So just want to say it is not something that you just simply pick up and you're like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna pick up Duma Ziah and read. And there are changes where we will dive in, like that the movie deviated from like the original book, because you know, sometimes you just have to streamline things just to like keep everyone's attention and keep the vibes. And there are some weird things in the book that you can't really just attack as well. Yeah, yeah. Would say loved it. Felt very much sucked into the film. Um will call Steve a liar 110% because I know when my legs were tired. When I was tired of sitting down, I know. But this was not just like a you know, oh my god, like the time just went by. My brother flew by hours and 46 minutes. The time flew by. I disagree vehemently. The time flew by. It was incredibly especially by the third act, it was incredibly invigorating. You pause your win, it's exciting, it's a great movie. Yeah, yeah. But to say that this movie was not, it didn't feel long, that's a lie. That's a bit of a lie.
SPEAKER_00:That's fine, that's fine. I'm not the only one that feels this way, so I feel somewhat justified in thinking it didn't feel maybe, maybe it's because by the time the third act comes around, it's like uh, you know, okay, you're sitting up for this, you know, it's exactly yeah the f the the FIFA sit up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:And I think that was intentional, you know, because part one, a lot of the I don't want to call them criticisms because I don't think they're criticism, but some people felt like it was too slow. There were moments where they were too slow, like the sandwalk when Paul and Jessica crossing the desert that was too slow. Um, in any part of a film that's carried by Han Zimmer, I'm not just saying Dune now, any Han Zimmer flick, right? He has this weird moments, and it was most clear in the creator that I just saw, but he has these weird moments where he like disappears, and in Dune part one, he disappears a lot, like there's a lot of moments that are filled with nothing, and then he just like resurfaces with like a banger. But in Dune part one, it's a lot of silently moving parts, and so people felt like it was you know boring, quote unquote. And so in part two, um it fit it's here and there, it's not as it's not as much, but it's here and there.
SPEAKER_01:Part two, the only time that I notice his absence is a is I'm not we won't okay, we're gonna dive into like specifics of the film, but right now I just wanted to like reference it. It's the part at the end, and it makes it feel so much more real.
SPEAKER_00:Which part at the end?
SPEAKER_01:I don't want to talk about it now.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, okay, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Yeah. Um dude, crazy film. Crazy film. Way better than second film. Um, interesting enough, it climbed up like Letterboxes like top ten best movies ever.
SPEAKER_00:Which is insane. Yeah, that's wild.
SPEAKER_01:Letterbox is filled with haters and moral.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah. I actually thought one thing that we could have done for this episode is like read the three-star reviews of Letterboxd because I'm just like, hmm, I wonder what they're saying. Because three-star reviews are the only actual real negative reviews. Okay. Yeah. I feel like when you're like, if you give a review a one star, unless it's really horrible.
SPEAKER_00:Horrible, you're really just hating. Like you're actually really hating.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So a three-star is really where it's like it comes down to like, okay, these are things that I generally did not like. Like you were actually about this film, you gave it a chance, these are things that were not great about it. Yeah. Okay. Did you have any pull-up? But I feel like now it's it's a lot better to have like just an open conversation about how Dune felt and what that meant. And like what we liked and what changes were made, and so on. So before we get into it, we're gonna let you guys know right now, this is about the 14th minute. There will be spoilers.
SPEAKER_00:Spoiler warning, massive spoilers ahead.
SPEAKER_01:Pause right now, go watch Dune, come back two hours and forty-six minutes later, then press play, and you can hear how we feel about doing it and the things that popped in and that made this movie such a great film.
SPEAKER_00:Definitely.
SPEAKER_01:Okay now straight to you know the fan fest. Let's go straight into it. Alright. I feel Timothy Charlemagne. Timothy Charlemagne. Oh, where do I pick? I think I texted you this. He's no longer Timothy, he's Timothy.
SPEAKER_00:Timothy.
SPEAKER_01:Timothy. Timothy. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:You know, you know, sorry if I'm hijacking at this point, but I'm very familiar. I've said this countless time. I'm very familiar with his game. He's a he's a he's a he's an actor that I have seen so many times, you know. And what I'll say is a lot of his roles, what's the what's the actor equivalent of Director Jill? I guess that's just being typecast. But a lot of his roles, his typecast as the typecast. What he's like so typecast, like yeah, as like the mysterious lover boy, yes, yeah, but the scrawny, like the scrawny white kid that's like you know, always under an understudy, or you know, he's hopelessly in love with this girl or man, if you're talking about coming by name, that doesn't like him when you got him doesn't like him, you know, back, and so it's just like continuous. Dune was kind of well, King maybe, but King he was still scrawny, he was still a little kid.
SPEAKER_01:But I think realistically though, Dune, he was still scrawny, but but we're seeing growth.
SPEAKER_00:There was growth, like there was some so much growth from the first 15 minutes in Caladan of Dune part one to the Dune 2, like Dune Part 2, when he's leading 3 even before Act 3, like um during the build-up, when he's leading when he becomes when he rides a worm. I mean, when he rides a worm, he's not.
SPEAKER_01:I would even say I would argue, wait, does he get does he become Uso before he rides a worm or after? After the Shahu Lude.
SPEAKER_00:After the Shahu Lude, after he conquered Shahu Lu.
SPEAKER_01:That was when he really ascended for me. Like that was like when I was noticing, like, this is a hell of a performance.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that's when he became Fremen, and you know, and I'm just like, I think what I was going to say, what I was leading to is he's exceeded in those roles, and people would have made the argument before that, you know, maybe he doesn't have as much range, you know. He showed that in Wonka, he held like Wonka was the first time he had a major motion picture that was his as his own and you know, lead act, and he held his own. Obviously, it was a joke of a role, whatever, whatever you want to call it. And it wasn't he was singing, was a musical. But he showed that he can hold a film on its own, and then in Duneport 2, he shows that he can carry everybody else in the cast, like they're dancing on his shoulders, they're feeding back off his performances, especially in that scene, the scene that everyone's raving about, you know. Um, what an actor. The next the next movie star, whatever, all the supernatives they're not in the movie star.
SPEAKER_01:It's him, he's here, he's him, he's here. And you know, the wildest thing about this is that this isn't like his third role that he just blew up with. You get me? He's put in the work, bro.
SPEAKER_00:He's put in time, he's put in 10,000 hours, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He has like a filmography, like an actual filmography.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Like to get like, and you can just like I'm not gonna say that you can see the ascension, but like you really can see like this little guy who started off like painting a modding Xbox 360 controller, like you know, the guy in Beautiful Boy, yeah, I love boy, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He has grown a lot. He's actually one day, one of these days, I might just you know drop my Timothy performances ranking. But he's really grown, he's shown so much. He was an Interstellar, he was a kid in Interstellar, Interstellar, yeah, and like from there to I mean that was what 10-12 years ago, so obviously he should have grown, but to grow from there to yeah, I was very, I was very impressed. I also said this on Twitter, but there was that scene, the final act. I've watched this man countless times, and I he was almost unrecognizable in that scene where he was speaking the Freme language, yeah, and he was just like standing heads and shoulders, and like he bent down at one point, and it's just like, Who is this? Like, what are you doing, bro?
SPEAKER_01:That that little squat he did, yes, he looked Goroski in his eye and was like your mother got like cut when she was like and he's like this, and it was like because I'm him. Honestly, the moment where he was like, None of you will challenge me because you're afraid. I was like, Whoa! In front of everyone, and these are no nobles, you get me? You're like, This is yeah, you know, these are people have been fighting for their lives since like seven, eight.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh no, he carries it, he carries it well, and the fact that he like in that scene, obviously, again, it's because it's the trajectory of Paula Traders, but in that scene, when you're looking, which is why I struggle with the whole white savior rhetoric that people are painting. Oh my god in that scene, I can see evil in his eyes. He's talking about saving them, he's talking about, oh, you guys are afraid, and you know, yeah, the only one that could, yeah. But he I can see evil in his eyes. Even when he's talking to Jessica about, oh, Chani doesn't understand, but I've had visions, she'll come to understand. It's not love I see in his eyes, it's not admiration for his lover that doesn't understand, it's evil that I see in his eyes, and it's just like he understands who Paul becomes, he understands who Paul is, and he's like able to display that with his body language, with his facial structure, like he's just able to convey that.
SPEAKER_01:I think a very interesting point to talk about when we talk about Dune is that you see him at various points trying to fight against this destiny that he has. And I'm not going to call it a destiny, like to enter the propaganda to achieve his dreams. Like you see him fight against it, not wanting to go to the south. You see him multiple times, I'm not the Messiah. Ah, guy, he was so humble. He's so humble, he doesn't even want to say he's the Messiah. Yeah, yeah. But really and truly, like you see him move in genuine fear of what he might be becoming to these people to fully embody it. And he just like he rocks it, man. He really rocks it. Like, yeah, even down to the part where like he almost died. You get like when he peeled away with his own horror, no one questioned, no one came after him. Yeah, because they trust him. He's he's the he's the prophet, he's his more deep.
SPEAKER_00:You know, like you said, he fights it, he fights the whole Messiah, whatever. I'm no Messiah. He says that countless times, I'm no Messiah. He fights his mom when she's trying to spew these prophecies or these, you know, plants. And that's that didn't just start. It started in part one. You know, there's a scene in the tent where he's like, get off me, you've been a Jezre, made me a freak, you know, saying that you've been planting these seeds in amongst this Fremen people. He's been fighting this his whole life, you know, fighting leadership. I think from he's been fighting, he's been fighting it since he was on Kala then.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like yeah, where he's he's talking to his father and he's like, I want to be a partner.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And he's like, great men get called to lead even when like they don't want the power, like blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And it's like he's been fighting, he didn't he knew he was meant to be, or he's being groomed to be the Chris Al Qadar. Yeah, he did not, I don't think he innately knew that he was gonna his destiny was going to align with the Fremons. And it just made me think about how evil like the Ben and Jesuit are, how especially his mother. His mother is I feel like so many people spent so much time talking about how evil the Baron is, how evil the Hawkindans are, and I won't, and I will say this 110 times. The Hawkindans are it's so easy to call them like the bad guys of the film, the villains, how they look. Not gonna lie, how many bald guys, like bald white guys, like super pissy white skin like that that you you think that's generally a good person.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I agree, I completely agree.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, like there's very the white savior discourse just makes me feel like, yeah, you guys did not understand the movie. And I'm not even trying to come from like an elitist point of view or like a point of view, just from a realistic point, the whole movie is making fun of. It's a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale, that's what it is. Like we've talked about this multiple times about so many of like the cautionary tales, like Oppenheimer, um Wolf of Wall Street, like we've we've brought these up in reference to other other things, and it's just like there's so many like warnings and like critiques of certain things that happen. Like to bring this back, like you know, full throttle. Like, I think for me, I left the cinema like massively impressed. Very impressive, bro. You know, it'd be it'd be kind of fun to have a little Messiah. You know, I see why niggas would stop like that. You get me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, I need them to come back. Let me run my thing. Maybe I should become more Christian, more Catholic, you know. But because yeah, it's like a fun time to like see a guy like you know do miracles. You know, that's the guy you're following. He's cool, he's on top of his things, bro. Yeah, charisma, inspiring. I see why they I see why it's it's intoxicating.
SPEAKER_00:It's bro, it really is intoxicating. The faith, faith can be intoxicating, belief can be into especially like imagine if you were alive when Jesus was alive and you were watching him like raise people from the dead, bro. You were watching him turn water into wine, like you would be so like gas, bro. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Now think about all the people that were alive before Jesus came. Because John the Baptist and all the nuns, or everyone was like, Oh, yeah, the savior is coming, the savior is coming. Not rise up against your oppressors.
SPEAKER_00:You know, stay humble, it's okay. Your sister's coming to save you.
SPEAKER_01:And that is essentially what the beneficiary would be. Yeah. All over the world. All over. You go to a little developing nation, don't rise up, don't fight, blah blah blah. Keep your head down, give them a child, you know, control the gender of the child so you can now just like ship them off or something and get another one. Like it's like there's actually a very good argument to have about eugenics. But realistically, the Benedictury, and like I really like how like when you read the books, like and you also like read things where people are talking about Herbert and like his writing and Dune, it's like I feel like being Catholic, you cannot watch Dune, being Catholic and being African, you cannot watch Dune, watch what the Benegesser do and not think about like colonization.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Bro, I said I said, bro, you are me. I said that in my review. I felt like it was the analogy because people made said that the analogy was like the struggle in the Middle East, and they likened spice to oil, which I can see, but I felt like the struggle was more about the struggle for Africa, or the for the book was about was loosely inspired by the fight or the struggle for Africa, and that's how I feel colonization, using religion as a tool for oppression, and just in reference to what you just said, how Danny is trying to paint, or Frank Herbert was trying to paint a cautionary tale. Full disclosure, I haven't read the book, but I've watched enough videos and I've watched the 1984 Lynch Dune, and I've watched Dune so many times to like get an idea of what it's about, but it doesn't match to reading the book. I get that. But I know what Chinese character is meant to be like, and I can see the deviations that Danny made with her character, and I think he uses her as like this moral ground. I think that's what I'm saying. He uses he makes it literal, you know, because I can see how without you know some of the tweaks here and there, you can picture this as a white TV story, but he makes it quite literal with her. He's she yells in front of everyone, this property is how they enslave us. She fights it so many times that's a very good thing. He's just a man, he's just a man, and he says it, you know, in the scene when he becomes the emperor, everyone kisses and the emperor kisses his ring, and everyone kneels, and she's still standing. And I'm like, I feel like he literally could not have made it more obvious that he's not advocating for a white TVS too. He's still instead, like this is a contrary to yeah, there's nothing about TV.
SPEAKER_01:I think the thing is that okay, so I feel like to break it down, like Green really explores like super heavy themes about power, destiny, colonization, and environmental destruction. And I feel like in the film, like it does a good job of handing these things to the general audience. And the major core idea for me is like the like we just talked about this, like this corrupting power of like this messiah destiny-based leadership in Paul's art. I don't know if I'm sure it's how he goes like that whole reluctant hero to embracing his power and the quote unquote terrible purpose. Do you get me? Oh, I don't want to do this. Like he makes it like and like it's I think again on Paul's side, he benefits the most out of all of that. But yes, what he's doing is like yes, it helps the Fremen, but at its core, who is in power? They simply I remember the scene very well when she was like, I think it was Chani that was talking about like okay, like we get rid of the Harkin and then who is on your oppressor? Then they cut that ball. Exactly. They literally just cuts a pole scene, and it's exactly that. It's really just an exchange of power. Like the feminine truly never free, it just becomes like another leader, it's another person, foreigner, and that's again, like the word Lisa and Al-Gaib literally transwer transfer. Voice from the outer. Yeah, it's like the off-world prophet. Yeah. It's again a means to control people because it's like he cannot come from you, he cannot be one of your people that is fighting, that is pushing you off, like pushing you to like deliver yourself from like your own like safety, like you'd give yourself take yourself to paradise. Yeah, it has to be some. Someone who's gonna come learn your ways, thrive in your things.
SPEAKER_00:And then they paint it like, oh, he would know your ways as if it was one of you. Like these things will come innate innate to him, you know what I mean? He'll speak your language, walk in your shoes, and all of that. But these are just these are the ways, these are the twos that you're applying to. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And like the two biggest ways, like, and we see this contrasting between the Harkinans and with Paul and the Fremen. The two biggest ways that they show us that power and people are controlled through like forced power, fear. We see that with Harkin and through faith. Through faith, exactly. Like we see that with Paul. And like consistently throughout the film, I feel like you don't go like 15 minutes without, or yeah, you don't go like 15 minutes without hearing Stoga, ah, the Lisa Algae. As written, as it was written. Yeah, bro. Every day, every like 15 minutes, the Lisa N Al-Gayib for everything. And like there are genuine moments where it's like, okay, this is this is crazy, this is wild. Like what he's doing is amazing. But like, Jamis was a great fighter. Did they ever think Jamis was a Lisa Al-Ghaib? What do you mean? Like, Tani's a great fighter.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh. No one has ever called her the Lisan Al-Gayb. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He takes on a couple guys. Ah, Lisan Al-Gayb, where did he lose from?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But the moment that that Stilgar really, really believes this is a water of life scene. So that's the moment that sets it apart. Like it's the moment that fulfills the prophecy, you know, like the tears from the desert spring. Um, and no man can take the water of life or they'll die or whatever. And so I think in that moment, Stilger becomes helpless.
SPEAKER_01:I I get that. But I still feel like his he is very much positive to what is going on. He is one of the villains, unknowingly. It is more so um, what's that word? It's more so, you know, you know how like I think it's there that's like my people just perish for lack of knowledge, you know, from the Bible. It's like that kind of vibe. He did not really know what was going on, he's just following his wings, he's following the tradition, the signs, and like even from the off-rip, as soon as he says it, like you know, the foreigner that we brought back with us, you know, he's the guy, then someone was like, Again, another one. Yeah, so he's out there looking for the signs, and he's like, Yeah, I've seen the signs.
SPEAKER_00:Of course, you can see and he is interpreting whatever he wants to see as a sign, you know.
SPEAKER_01:You get me? Like, you see, like an accident, you're like, Oh, that's a sign from God that I shouldn't do this or that. Do you get what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:I know what you mean.
SPEAKER_01:Like any small thing, you can just depict it as a sign from God.
SPEAKER_00:Man, Dini is a genius because he's he's he's he's trying not to like you said, he has to leave a lot of things to the audience. You can't spell it out literally. But this is as close to spelling it out as I possibly can.
SPEAKER_01:The Shiny's friend streamlined this movie, cut out so many of the weird parts because while alive, bro, there's so many weird parts. Because Okay, for one of the major things is that like, okay, this isn't weird, but this is an example of how he streamlined the movie. I I can toss in a weird part just like to satisfy it. But the movie, you know how it takes like a year with Paul's time with the Fremen? Uh-huh. In the book, it's three years.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, in the in in Lynch's version, it's three years as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So in the book is three years, and that goes in depth to like how you feel about like the all the emotional aspects of the film. Like, it makes m a little bit more sense that the relationship with the Fremen is more it's more in depth. Do you get me? It takes and but it helps Paul because it feels like oh he's fighting off his demons and the destiny in the book, but in in Denise's version.
SPEAKER_00:Denise's world, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Denise's world, he's like, he's a colonizer. Either way, it doesn't matter how long it takes him, he still made the decisions. Yeah. Like seven or eight months.
SPEAKER_00:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I like I feel like it's like he does so much for you to have very little empathy for him because at his core he is still an oppressor. And like, even when he like when he gets to the things that he wants, like, you know, he's still casting aside people. It's not going to be enough. Like, he still casts aside Chani, who had been with him from Offer. From the from the get go, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. He still has his his his dreams, like he's wants. And sure, you can paint them, like you can paint them from his point of view, how this pro like propels the Fremen forward, how this brings them to paradise, but like, you know, his vendetta with the Harkonids was one of the major driving factors. It was the major driving factor. Yeah, and like avenging his father's death.
SPEAKER_01:At all, if the Emperor didn't bring him from Caladan.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like if his family was not set up, he wouldn't there would be nothing. It would be the same thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And like, I don't want to say it's like a happenstance thing, but like he discovered the Fremen, like, and like they helped him. And then he took advantage of them, and then he controls them. And then he also controls the most valuable resource in the universe. Spice. Spice. Yeah. So I'm sorry. You can't really feel bad for the guy that's just he's winning, winning, winning, winning.
SPEAKER_00:Oh god, I can't wait to see what Dini does with. If we do get Messiah, I can't wait to see what he does with that.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know how he's going to do certain things. I don't know. Like he left out some things that I found like I felt were like were pretty cool. Like, for example, um, the Fremen, the way they fight is completely different than in the book.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. So like Do you mean the Fremen or the Atreitus? Like the weirding, the thing, the Weirding Way. That's what you're talking about. The Weirding Way is from the Fremen. Oh, I thought it was from I think it's from the Atreitus.
SPEAKER_01:No, I think it's the Fremen. I think it's the Fremen. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Because they're just looking like, you know, just really good fighters, but they use like sound to cause physical impact on you. I I think that's from the Atreitus. Man, I read this back in like 2018, so like maybe I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe I'm maybe okay. Continue. But basically leaving out You left that out, yeah. Yeah, leaving that out is like it's kind of wild. It's wild, but I like the creative decision because it would have been like I think it's one of those things that made Lynch's version not so good. Because if you can't like properly display something on the silver screen, I think it's better to cut it out than to put it and then it looks weird. Like, for example, the what was that about the shield in Lynch's the shield, yeah. He didn't like he didn't like Lynch's version. The shield in Lynch's version is ugly, it's terrible.
SPEAKER_01:You can't see where it's like you're like Lego thing, and like you can't see yourself. It's like a big ice cube thing.
SPEAKER_00:And even in part in part one, I didn't think it looked that bad, but it still was a little jarring sometimes. Like it looked good close up, but from afar it didn't look so good. And it was so clear that they need tried to reduce how much shield was present in part two. You know, not many people have shields, even the scene where the um in part one reason though is because they don't use projectiles, like the fremen aren't really using projectiles.
SPEAKER_01:I get that, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But it's still shield still works in close combat.
SPEAKER_01:I think um I think the blade can like sift the slow blade, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:The slow blade penetrates. That's what they tried to draw me.
SPEAKER_01:That's kind of like how the Fremen can fight. It's like it can be like a slow blade kind of thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but it's still like a creative, it was still a creative decision to like have less and less of it. And I was going to use a proper an actual example in part one. When they're in that big dining room and um Duke Leto uses the poison tooth, um, before the hark before the Baron get like as he's approaching Duke Leto, he like senses something is up and he activates his shield. Yeah, right. Then he gets to Duke Leto, he bites it, releases his poison. The Baron is the only one in the room that survives because of the shield. Yeah. In part two, we don't see the Baron use his shield at all, which for one, he had no reason to. But then in the scene in the in the throne room when you know everything's going down, he's like crawling up and he sees Paul Mordib approaching him. Like that would have been an example where we've already seen, you know, when he senses danger, he puts on his shield, but he could have put on his shield then and he didn't, or just other scenes with like the Sadakar, the Harkonens when they're in battle, like it's just less and less because Denis agreed that it looked a little jarring, it wasn't that bad, but it was a little jarring, and so he just like cuts it. So that's my that's my opinion. Same thing with the space guild or with some of the other mentats, you know. We see like a couple mentats in part one, they don't look as convincing as what you know Herbert probably intended, and so he just cuts it out. So I feel like if it's a it's a valid creative decision, if you feel like you can't accurately depict something, you know. Shai Halud, he did a good job of depicting that, bro. Compared to Lynch's version, he did a good like I see Shai Halud and I can envision like I can imagine what Herbert was intending. So more we see more worms in this than in the oh absolutely part, absolutely, especially like the last fight. Exactly. Yeah, so I I think if it's it's although like to to your point, um in Mysaia, when you make like certain creative decisions are integral to the story, so it's not like he can choose not to show certain things because they're one of another weird thing that like he did was he downplayed like Paul's power. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:Like the the presence, like the seeing, like the seeing the future thing. Like he did very much like it's even worse than how like they did it in like and like in the MCU where like you know Johnson Strange was like shifting his head and doing uh yeah yeah and he he basically just like Paul basically just like opens his palm and is like there's a narrow way. I can see, yeah. But I'm just like bro, we want to see you see in the future because it's such a key reason to why you that is such a key reason to why you're successful and why you chose this plan. So he really downplays it, and it's super powerful in the film. I mean the book. So that's an interesting one. Um another one that I feel like he the different another change that he made that I felt like I agree with you. If it's weird, keep it away. Yeah, you think you can do it all was um again with the movie being three, um, three years. I'm sorry, with the book being three years and the movie being one year.
SPEAKER_00:Alia.
SPEAKER_01:Alia. Yeah, I think that's what you're gonna say. She's born and she's two and she's scary. Yeah. He is very creepy, she's a very creepy two-year-old. And she's actually the one that kills the baron. Because I think I know, yeah. I think she um I think she and Leto get kidnapped. So Leto and Granny? That's another thing. So Paul and Charlie's kids come out.
SPEAKER_00:I think they have two kids. Not before the baron dies. Not before the baron dies, no.
SPEAKER_01:Because I think the baron kidnaps one of their kids.
SPEAKER_00:No, the baron takes Alia. I think it's Alia that gets taken.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like I'm sure about this because I know Leto dies. Leto's dead. Leto's Paul's dad. Who are you talking about? Leto too. There's a like he does he has like Leto dies. Like, there's another kid. He names his child after his dad.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Leto and Ganisme or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So he has kids from Chani, and that's what Children of Dune is about.
SPEAKER_00:But that's that's post Trillian of Dune is post Mezzan. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But like he does have kids that get kidnapped by the Baron in that war. Like inside that little like that they attack him there at war.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The last thing, which we're gonna pip back into this, is like you already talked about this, but the change for Zendaya and Shani to become like this, you know, point of moral comparison is very interesting because initially she was by his side throughout. She was questioning a little bit, but she was by his side, opposite way. Like when he said, you know, I will forever love you and everything. He's like, I'm going to pick this woman as my wife. Like, but he doesn't say, he doesn't just do it like that. I think Denny Love is doing a little dramatic thing. He says more to her, and he's like, She will be nothing but a concubine. She would only have my name, but live life with not knowing my touch and only knowing the life of a concubine. She, I am here for her title, I am here for blah blah blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I feel like again, he cuts that out so that you don't feel sympathy. Do you hear me? Because right now, he really just looks like he is like by the end of the film, it feels like he has used them, he has used Shani. Because the majority of the film between like through him and Chani.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He has used them, he has used Chani, and like nothing is sacred. Even though he he can see the future, so he knows that Chani's pregnant. What are you saying? He can see the future, so he knows Chani's pregnant. I did not know Shani was pregnant. Oh, I just told you he has children with Chani.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but in the future, like in this moment, is she pregnant? In the in the movie? Yeah, at that moment when he takes Irulin's hand.
SPEAKER_01:You can see her touch her tummy. Like you can see her touch her tummy. And then it's like, yeah, she is pregnant. Shani is pregnant.
SPEAKER_00:Holy mother of God. Yo, listeners, if you can see my face, I'm like louded right now. Because I've seen that film twice, and at no point did I clock that hold her. She was pregnant.
SPEAKER_01:That's so funny, bro. Yeah. Because Shani being pregnant. Are you sure? Yes. Her being pregnant is integral to the film. And is integral to like the possibility of him directing Maziah. We don't know if he's definitely directed Maziah. But like it is integral to the possibility.
SPEAKER_00:No, he's his death, he's definitely directing. He's already started working on the script. He's already worked with it. He's met with him uh greenlit.
SPEAKER_01:He hasn't what? It hasn't been greenlit.
SPEAKER_00:I know, I know, yeah, it hasn't.
SPEAKER_01:They might decide to cut their, you know, cut it around. Because I will say this 100%. Dune gets weirder each book. And I know with the fact that it gets weirder each book, it becomes a lot harder for you to make possible, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Because like we haven't even gotten to like the space guild, we haven't gotten into absolutely not.
SPEAKER_01:Like honestly, the space guild has like even in the first book, they you kind of get them a little bit. A tiny bit like the first yeah, part yeah. You don't really like he's barely done anything.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I know. So it's it's I know it's like one of the it's like whichever if the studio does green light it, they're committing to at the very minimum 250 to 300, which is so I think it's a case where they need to see this film break even, make a lot of money to justify putting basically whatever amount of money this film makes could just be like the cost of the next. So they're not like going to actually truly break even until like if they do green light messiah, then until that succeeds. So it's it's it's gonna be harder to green light than part two, but they have to, bro.
SPEAKER_01:They have to, come on. They have to get why you would say so, but I really feel like they might just cut their losses, but I really hope that they don't. Because I'm not gonna lie, the first dune was like an 83% success, and like I talked about how I we had this conversation where I was like, Yeah, like COVID probably played a part into like why that wasn't as big of a success, and just like the nature of the film being a bit more confusing. And also where it went to HBO Max Gilles because yeah, so like that they don't feel they might not they might feel like you know, we're one out of two right now. We're one for two right now, you know, we're recuperators, like you know, whatever we make on the second, we're putting it into the first one also.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I I don't know. I I believe in I I said this in my review, I just think we have to give like for the sometimes, right? It's a why do why do we have to look at our in terms of like checkbook, greens, and reds? Like, this guy is obviously making this is this is very important. This is a pillar of sci-fi. Dune the book is a pillar of sci-fi.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I feel like certain, like I I got very you know how you got upset when people were talking about White Savia? I didn't even regard that. I was like, Yeah, you niggas did not watch the film, but you did not watch it. You you you failed at comprehension classes in school, like you didn't pay attention like this. But for me, it was when people were saying, like, comparing it to like Star Wars, yeah. I'm like, Star Wars and Luke Skywalker, all that shit, tattooing, that is doom. Like, Star Wars is like a literal watered down version, like the prequels are so much of a watered-down version of like and it's so man, it's sad, it's kind of sad.
SPEAKER_00:Like sad, but the themes are not as deep, it's not as complex written, like you know, it's like it's I I just my my point is I think because this is a pillar of um sci-fi, it's important that we don't let Vnu fail. If he's shown, if he's demonstrated twice now that he he can and is able to adapt some like that book, the book that was previously termed impossible to adapt, he's done it twice over. We have to give him all we can, like all the support, all the whatever. Give write this man a blank check and let him bring Messiah to life, man. That's how I feel personally. We shouldn't we shouldn't restrict art for the sake of greens and reds. That's fine. That's fair.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's I feel like the film is just man, it's a breathtaking. I'm really happy with that because it doesn't feel like we've given as many spoilers in this, like yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I got a couple more in the bag.
SPEAKER_01:I got a couple more in the bag, but I think I want to give them you know, I want to give them a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00:No, but I there's I just because there's a couple characters we didn't touch on, but Princess Irulan, that's another one, because again, obviously, I mean following all the Dune, June, Gene accounts, you know. And so when it was announced that it like Austin Butler and Florence Pugh were joining the cast, it didn't really say what role that they were playing, it just said you know, they've joined the cast. And so a lot of because Jessica was pregnant in part one, Jessica be pregnant for a hot minute, bro. Yeah, that's that's by the way. Um, because Jessica was pregnant in part one, people thought there was going to be a time jump, you know, a couple years or even sometime into the future, and they thought that Florence Pugh was playing Alia, and then it was announced that she was playing Princess Irulan. Yeah, and you know, there was communication about if that was a good casting or not, and I really had no idea. I had to see I feel like it was a good casting, it was really good casting, that's all and even Austin Butler better casting, but that's I'm talking about Irulan right now.
SPEAKER_01:Austin Butler was a shocking casting, but uh shocking, I'm not gonna lie. Give him no eyebrows, bold head, and I think he was not shocked at the same time. I think he's filming Heat 2 or something, yeah, or he's involved in production.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think he too started filming, I think he's involved in production. But as one of the people No, he was filming both at the same time. Okay, okay, okay. As one of the people that I did not take part in the Elvis hate, I didn't think I thought Elvis was not that great a film, but I thought Austin Butler as Elvis was terrific, that was a good performance. I I'm familiar with that with his game, and I wasn't like obviously I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw, but I wasn't like, oh, I did not know Austin Butler had this in his bag. Like that's an actor actor, like that's an actual actor, bro.
SPEAKER_01:That's a tough one, bro. That's a tough one.
SPEAKER_00:Nah, I wasn't I wasn't surprised. Plus, again, because he's a method actor, or he's going down the path of meth method acting, and lately, for some reason, for whatever reason, it's like we've grown or the media has grown to hate method acting when whole time some of the very best performances we've ever seen have been from method actors, so it's just like okay, too, like it's a shame that he gets stuck in the role when he leaves the set, and like it took him a few months to wear off the voice, but like if he's able to deliver an actually good convincing performance, who cares, bro? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:I'm not so I don't I feel like they they they're so pressed about the voicing when he's a guy in his twenties. You work in Elvis for two years girls go study abroad for like seven six months before my claim like he pressed what is like visionary? What do you mean, bro? Exactly, bro. Two years, like yeah, he's a like literally two years, he was perfecting how to speak in that manner, bro. Yeah, like it's going to stay with him again because they're like, oh yeah, his voice is so deeper now. I'm like, he developed, he became he's a guy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, that happens naturally, you know. There's this thing called pup like not puberty, but there's this thing called growing. It's not puberty, but like just growing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it just happens.
SPEAKER_00:You boom a little bit more, like yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like you think what it is. I was just like, damn, they were just like sitting off like so crazy. This was a great point. Because nothing that you've seen from Austin button makes you think that he can get it.
SPEAKER_00:He can be afraid, yeah, yeah. He has no there's no there's no metric, exactly like Stellan.
SPEAKER_01:That was oh my god, yeah. The fact that he sounds like a Skarsguard was still amusing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was a little perplexed. Like I know the relationship, but in the in the film, when I'm seeing like because there's a couple, maybe two scenes that um Batista, Butler, and Skarsgard share together. Yeah, and I'm like, Skarsgard and Butler, I can see. Yeah, but Batista and like I mean maybe Batista and Skarsgird because of the makeup and not, but in terms of persona, in terms of like the way that they're acting, like Scar Butler and Skarsgrid are just uncle and nephew, like it just makes sense, it like it really works.
SPEAKER_01:And I think that's because of like that.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, yeah. So that those two I wanted to highlight. We've obviously already talked about Stilgar, but Bardem, Jesus man, you carried this film in some ways that not I'm not saying he carried the film, but there's some aspects of the film that he carried, man. There's some aspects of the film that he was like, his back was hurting, especially in the humor department, his little jokes, his little quibs here and there. He bloody could and and the transition too, from you know, because the film picks up right where part one ended, so there's no time lapse, yeah, right. And obviously Dani is intentional about that, he's making sure that everyone's acting the same way, like you're picking right up, right? But with Bardem especially, he's the only one to me that it's like like almost goes through a whole new character arc because in the beginning he's this like really scared guy, not scared, scary guy who like brushes off um Paul when he sees him for the first time, and then when he sees him again, he's like still like the leader of this Fremen tribe or this Fremen warriors or whatever, and he's this really strong guy, and then bit by bit, it's like every 30 minutes he's becoming more subservient. He's becoming and that's the power of fate, like you said. But every 30 minutes he's becoming more subservient because he sees the signs up right up until act three, where he's literally kneeling in front of Paul, begging Paul to take his life so he can speak at that circle, and it's just like, bro, how many actors do you know are able to like deliver?
SPEAKER_01:And again, like I don't know how to say this, but like the rules that you've seen Haver Bardem and Poss, you don't think this is that guy? No, like no, you think the part one, dude, that's Javier Bardem, like yeah, but yeah, bro. I feel like everyone really just really dug deep in their bag. Rebecca Ferguson. I'm sorry, man. Wherever if you need a franchise to sing, get Rebecca Ferguson. She's done it three times now, bro. Oh my god, she's done it three times now.
SPEAKER_00:Like she is so good, bro. It's kind of scary how good like she was in this. The first time I said I you know no, she did it twice, my bad.
SPEAKER_01:But she basically did that at all double trouble run.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, she's she because again, she also has this transition, right? Start of you know, this loving, loving concubine of Duke Leto, mother to Paula Treatis. Um, she gets captured, she gets carried along by her son, you know, blah blah blah. And another comparison, I think, well, again, I haven't read the book, but from what I know about Jessica, I think um um Rebecca puts in Rebecca Ferguson puts in like a layer onto her that wasn't existing before. Like she adds onto the character in a way that doesn't necessarily like whatever deviations exist from the book. I'm using Lynch's version in my head, right? Whatever the deviations exist uh therefore the better.
SPEAKER_01:She's a bit more menacing. Yeah, yeah. So reaction is like this reaction. She's a bit like and it's not like and I don't want to make it confused, like it's not meant to be like an over like a scary, it's not a scary, like you can't do anything. It really isn't, yeah. You can't do anything like when she goes to like say goodbye to Chani when she leaves, it's like okay. I'm just here as a formality. Yeah, like just to remind you that you can't do anything, you can't stop this. Yeah, yeah. She this was a great couple.
SPEAKER_00:Inspired acting. Um, is there any part I've not talked about? Oh, cinematography. I don't know. Genius decision to do the black and white thing for the Harkonens, um, the Black Sun, like, because Lynch did not have that. The difference, the thing I will say is the Harkonens from the source material are they're described as this like really savage, really like monstrous people or way of life. And Lynch has a does a better job of depicting that. Like he shows them eating raw animals, he shows them killing children for sport, you know. Like the Baron literally kills this boy one time just because, you know, and like we see we saw that in part two a little bit, but it's not the same savage way. So I think um the decision to show it in the black and white sun and that gladiator fight thing, those are just like very, very, I don't remember all of them.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna say this. You don't remember all of what you know, you're gonna hear what I'm gonna cut. Okay. I really feel like because I just thought about it when you were talking about like the savageness, and I don't think that is the intention. I think it's more um I feel like again, a faith thing because again, he calls it a jihad. Well, he doesn't call it a jihad in the movie, but in the book it's called a jihad. Like the holy war is a jihad, and like you know, that means holy war, but like the holy war starts against the Harkinids, and again, it is the Messiah versus the seven deadly sins kind of represented in the Harkonnets. You know, we have the rage that we see in Ravan. We have like the lust, we have yeah the greed, the gluttony that we see in the Baron. The Baron literally cannot work. He has suspensions that like move round. And like you know, the greed from like the colonization and like the hoarding of spice over the decades has made them incredibly wealthy. I don't remember what. What the other the other the other scene. Yeah, I mean that's why something something like map them on to like the That's a really good cook.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah like the pride the pride of author like does it say does it say the seven deadlies is in the book or you're like making that up but like in my head it just feels like that oh wow the pride of look at this film critic look at this film critic we got going on here okay pride of Fade Ride of Raman like like Raman like the whole movie Rama is it is it Raman Raban Raban I keep saying Raman Raban yeah he's Raban like the whole movie he's motivated by his pride so that's when like he gets kicked by Fade Rather and it's like don't embarrass like you know yeah you've embarrassed our family again our family again yeah and even though he knows he's going to die again when he meets um Gurney he like yeah he does like a little has to fight he still comes out to you know he still has his pride you know like that's a really good one yeah I like that I like that but yeah I I I just thought um the black son was a thing of genius and then if like the seven deadly scenes like just showing them in their vices he does more of that in all vices yeah he does more of that in particular these guys are eating spice in their food this is not cardamon bro they're getting a bit high like I I know people want to say like it's part of their culture yes and no I don't I think also like you don't really get like a really good like a really thorough example of like their culture beyond like when someone dies and they put their water they return the water in that yeah so I would say it's really just so like you see more of the heart and those that they're like oh my god these guys yeah they're a problem we need to take them up so I have a question you catch yourself like rooting yeah I have a question I know you said you read this in 2018 which was like six years ago but in Lynch's version another key change is when um Paul ascends to the throne when he kills the uh when not kills he doesn't kill the emperor but when he takes Irulan's hand and says he's declared himself emperor it rains in Arrakis like rain starts to fall immediately do you recall that happening I don't recall that happening in the book okay yeah I was just wondering if what that what that was because some of the you know how they have like trillions of or millions of or thousands of water depot scattered around but then the Harakonans like destroyed some of them so I'm just wondering how paradise comes to be if that's the way if it's that water that they have stored or if I don't know but don't obviously you don't have to we don't have to talk about that. I can go back and like look up and then we can okay like just like personal talk you know okay that's that's very interesting because I I kind of forgot about that and it rained yeah it was like Lynch just brought rain and then all the Fremen were like oh my goodness you know Lisan Algae Paradise all of that but I like how Dune like then he ends it because now almost with no rest they are thrust into a war. Yeah like they are thrust into another war so they are still fighting for their lives oh my god um Timothy's delivery of that what shall we do what what's your response and then he's just like you can see again this is the last time he fights it right but he's been fighting it all film he's been fighting all part one fighting all part two he takes like a sigh and he's like lead them to paradise but his delivery of that so reluctantly so it's like he knows what it's coming you know he sees he's like I see billions of people dead fighting a war in my name and he's trying to avoid that but then these people are coming and the greyhouses are sending and if he waits like we're about to attack you know the thing is that if he waits and he doesn't actually like if he never went against the emperor if he never went against like the Harkonn and the Harkonns are gonna kill him and the Bremen yeah it's like yeah like broski like it's it's gonna happen bro I might as well benefit from it. But yeah that delivery of Lead Them to Paradise and then there's like a split second where everybody screams and then Han Zimmer obviously goes crack mode. But that delivery was just like bro this I yeah this film exceeded like it just did so well just fantastic it's not every time it's not every year that we get a film like this you know um the way I raved about Oppenheimer and how every detail was taken into consideration and all of that when we when we see a filmmaker that's capable of making a film truly epic it could be an epic biographical drama it could be an epic science fiction film but if we see a filmmaker that's really like capable of delivering we have to do all we can to protect them man and to support them. We can't allow them fail so yeah give give him give him the keys to the give him the keys to Warner give him the blank check let him cook bro thank you for tuning in for the Center for we love this we hope you watch Dune if you haven't you have we want to hear what you have to say send us whatever you want to say it's a fun time Dune is great.
SPEAKER_01:More easy It's been a great time lads we'll see you same time in a couple of weeks same time in a couple of weeks hopefully it will be more consistent but you know dry January's done so all the all those mid movies are gone. February is a bit iffy but you know but from now we're about to we're getting closer to summer so like most of like the real big boy releases are about to be dropping so we're gonna be talking about those hope you guys have a great time
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