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The Cinephile's Aisle
Episode 31: "ETERNITY"
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"If there was a real version of ETERNITY, do you think you've lived your happiest years?"
TCA (with Misgana promoted to co-host!) are not pulling back punches with A24's afterlife romantic comedy centered around life after death. Starting off with this recent wave of 'throuple' films (7:00), you can listen to Steve's fascination with 'yaoi' and 'yuri' before Misgana shares her frustrations with Joan, the lead character, and her recklessness (13:20). Ofili introduces the two versions of love that shaped Joan's decision making (29:30), the trio marvel at the film's set design (50:40), and wrap up on the question of comfort in death vs the anxiety of the uncertain (55:30). TCA Verdict: 7.3/10.
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Intro
unknownHave you chosen your eternity?
MisganaHello, beautiful people. TCA's back. Better than ever. We have our uh OG people, Steve and Ofili. This is my first time doing intro, so please take it easy on me. But yeah, we're gonna talk about eternity.
OfiliHeavy topics. Very heavy topic today.
SteveThat was good, Misgana. That was one of those.
MisganaThank you, thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
SteveBut you're one of us now, you know. I was at uh I was at a reunion for my high school folks yesterday, and I talked about the podcast, and they asked me who I was doing the podcast with, and I was like, oh, it's actually three of us. I said Ofili, and I said you. So we've claimed you now.
MisganaPart of the crew. Appreciate being here.
SteveYeah.
MisganaUm how are you guys doing? What movies have you been watching recently and stuff? And we can get into the movie.
SteveUm doing good. You know, I'm traveling to the motherland, I'm going back to Africa um on Thursday. I don't know why I said it like that. I'm going home. Um this Thursday. I haven't been back in nine years, so very excited. Yeah. Um, but because I have a reduced work week, like these days have just been held, like cramming everything into a few days so I can be done before I leave.
MisganaUm to enjoy enjoyment.
SteveSo Detty December, as they call it, back home. Um I'm a bit worried though. You know, all that stuff that's been in the news about the killings and the kidnappings, like yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's a tendency for the media to exaggerate stuff when you're not there. So I think most of it might be a bit exaggerated, but like as the days get closer, I'm actually worried that oh wow, like I'm actually going to this place with all these things happening.
MisganaI mean, that's fair, but once you touch like there, things will settle in. So it's just a matter of time.
unknownYeah.
MisganaWhat about you?
OfiliUm, pretty good, really swamped with work. Uh Q4 just feels like everybody is. I I don't know, maybe companies feel like they're shutting down, you know, for like they they all act like they're not gonna make it into the new year. So we have to fit all the work in now, so it's it's exhausting. Yeah, but still made time for cinema stuff. Um
What we've been watching
Ofiliso recently, I think the most recent thing I've watched is Zootopia 2, which was okay. Okay, not amazing, but okay. What about you guys?
MisganaI mean, uh my last watch was Eternity, actually, funny enough. Uh in theaters. Um, so very fresh to this um conversation. Uh but at home I've I watched Catch Me If You Can for the first time.
OfiliOh, DiCaprio.
MisganaYeah. Um was very happy with that. Um but yeah, it's I mean, I mean, finals week, you know, finals exams are coming up. Q4 is Q4ing, as one can imagine. Uh, but yeah, maintaining both is not easy, but here we are. Still make time for our movies.
OfiliWe appreciate you taking a break from finals week to hop on the podcast.
SteveOf course. Of course. For sure. What have I been watching? Um, I haven't seen that many films. Um, I think I've been trying and trying and trying to get through after the hunt. Probably been watching that for like two weeks now. It's very slow. Um, like like most Guagdanino films before challenges. Uh, so I'm taking my time through that. But I saw, you know, the Now You See Me, Running Man, all of that. Um, and last night I saw this film 50/50 on Netflix, uh Joseph Gordon Levy. It was so good, man. So good. It was about Cancer. So good.
MisganaUm I think I saw that.
OfiliIt's the one with Seth Rogen as well.
SteveSeth Rogan. Yeah. Okay, yeah. It's old, it's pretty old. Um, but yeah, it was it was really, really good. I think I needed that in the moment. You know, you know, when you just need a a hug, you know, um, and there's no one around to hug you, right?
OfiliAnd so you just uh fucking capping, he's capping.
MisganaIt's a very sad story.
OfiliNah, it's he's capping like crazy. He just wanted to see Bryce Dallas Howard and just like objectify her a little bit. Crazy. He was like, let me see you turn around one more.
SteveCrazy. Yeah, I would not be speaking on Bryce Dallas Howard. If I speak, I'll be in big trouble. So I just realized a lot of them in that film have three names, like they go by three names, but that's a story for another day. Um, but yeah, and then TV, um, I've also been on TV side as well. Obviously, Stranger Things. I feel like I grew out of that and for some reason grew back into it. And I don't know how. But it's not as bad as people online are making the same. It's actually like back to the good, the good Stranger Things. Um, started Pluribus. It's been it's been hard to get into that since I'm not a breaking bad, better call soul fan. That world is still new to me. But I'm trying my best. And that that is it. I was on a podcast, funny enough, and I said that we will be venturing into TV eventually. Like, you know, that's one of our goals long term. And then one of the people on the pod said Ofili is a big fan of slow horses. Like maybe we can start with slow horses. Apparently, Ofili is the one of both of us that has good taste in TV. So yeah, there is that.
OfiliI mean, hey man, if it's on Apple TV, I I will watch it and I will tell you about it.
MisganaI mean I was I I I watched uh all her fault because of Ofili. He was like, Red, it's good. And I was like, okay, let me limit it series, you got me. You know, seasons, after seasons, after seasons of shows. No, thank you. The Pitt, Ofili told me to watch it, and I said, uh, I don't know about that. I watched it and I was like, oh my god, I love this. So we know his shows for sure. For sure.
OfiliFair enough. I think it's just because I don't have time to like sit down and watch like mid-TV. So if I'm gonna commit, it has to be gas. So um that is fair. But yeah, with what you said about limited series, Slow Horses is like six seasons or five seasons, and just five episodes a season. Yeah. Okay, five or six episodes. It's it's bang, bang, bang. Yeah, it's really good.
SteveOkay.
MisganaI I'm uh I'm gonna look into
ETERNITY: another throuple film
Misganait for sure.
SteveUm, but like you said, we're doing eternity, but before we even get into that, right? I was thinking after I came out, and I think I mentioned some of this in my review, and obviously uh Love Triangle isn't a new topic, like those films have existed forever. But are you noticing that it's a certain demographic of people right on the internet that I don't know what started it, I don't know if it was past lives or if it was challenges, but when we have all these love triangle films, they're expecting it or they're hoping for it to be some form of you know an actual triangle where each person is doing something with the other person, and then when they walk out and nothing happens, they get disappointed. You know what I mean?
MisganaHey, I mean it's a real problem, yeah, yeah.
SteveAnd it we've said it so many times on this on this podcast, man. Like, people go into the theater and they want the story that they watch to be the story that they want it to be, as opposed to the story that the filmmaker is trying to tell. And this is just another example in a long line of examples, and so like you're knocking down a film because the two guys didn't kiss, and it's like at what point in the whole runtime did you get the vibe that they were going to kiss? Like, when was that ever even introduced or anything? So, yeah, I don't know what started this. That's why I was like, is it past lives? Is it challenges?
MisganaI think it's challengers, it has to be, yeah.
OfiliI don't I don't think it's challenges because I think um I think it's okay, so I think it's like book talk. Okay, like TikTok, you know, TikTok, but books. Yeah, book talks. Oh, okay. So the the fantasy books that are marketed towards the girls, uh it's a very it's like, oh, I'm so desired by multiple options that instead of making me choose, they would overcome homophobia and you know have me together. So that I feel like that is what laid the groundwork for this.
SteveYeah, okay.
OfiliBecause if you also notice all of these um all of these films, the 'throuple' films, they're almost all geared towards women, except Threesome, except the film Threesome, which is like, I don't know. I felt like that one is geared just towards like chaotic energy. Yeah, but yeah, most majority of these newer ones are just like more so geared towards like the appeal for women. So yeah.
SteveSo what is what is that term it's spelled Y A O I? Have you guys seen that? Apparently originated from like anime. I don't know how to pronounce it. I'm not gonna try it. It's a Japanese word, but yeah, Y A O I, I'm guessing Yaoi or something like that. It's how and the converse will be Yuri, Y-U-R-I, which is what do you know about this? Can I learn?
MisganaWhat's your source?
SteveUm what I'm saying is like I come out of the films that you're talking about, which makes sense from book talk. Like when you said that, I was like, Oh, that's why. Because like a lot of the fanfic writers are like, any chance to put in some Yuri or any chance to put in some Yaoi or whatever, and now it's like making its way into cinema as well. And so, like, that makes sense that that that's you know, I'm gonna stop talking. Niggas think I really wear stuff online now.
OfiliI don't know, man.
MisganaYou know your stuff, you know.
OfiliYou know your stuff. You're involved with some some interesting stuff out there, my dog. Crazy, crazy. Um, but as just as a joke, like I I think there is like a decent amount of like polyamorous film and TV shows. Obviously, not enough, I'm sorry, you know, but the man the man ain't crazy like that, you know. I understand we could be doing much better, but I get what you're saying in how it feels like more recently there's been a lot more of those kind of non-traditional relationships or desires for those non-traditional relationships being pushed to the forefront. Because I think even Splitsville was like open relationship, everyone everyone has fucked everyone there. So Jesus. So that's that's another one. Um, but yeah, we're gonna talk about eternity, and just for our listeners who haven't watched Eternity or are not familiar with what eternity is at all, we're not talking about as a concept, but from the film, it is a uh it's an A24 romantic comedy, came out I believe, last month, and stars Elizabeth Olsen, Miles Teller, Callum Turner, aka Dua Lipa's husband, and it is focused on just being in the afterlife, and essentially you have to choose where you're going to go, what kind of afterlife you're heading to, and the there isn't really a protagonist, I think it's shared between all three of them, but basically, we're we're following the three characters, and Marcel is married to Elizabeth Olsen currently, but her first husband is Callum Turner, and he's been waiting in the afterlife in kind of like purgatory limbo zone, um, waiting for her to die and come so that they can spend eternity for how many years? For 66 or 67, 67 years.
MisganaOh, Jesus that's important.
OfiliThat's crazy. 6'7 has made it to the pod. You heard the year. That is crazy. Okay, so that is the concept of the film. Um, and I think one thing I want to note about this film that I really enjoyed before we jump into like all reactions, is I really enjoyed how the idea or the premise of eternity basically isn't more so like the they didn't go the angelic route, you know, spiritual route of this. It was more so a personal journey and just more so in like an emotional space instead of like a cosmic one. And I feel like that changes how this whole film, like it changes the crux of this film, how it can play out in any capacity.
SteveYeah, yeah.
OfiliSo before we jump into that, uh, I guess before
Steve's and Misgana's reactions to the film
Ofiliwe jump into the questions I have for this AP, let's talk about you guys. How do you guys feel about the film reactions, experiences when watching the film?
MisganaI'm gonna let Steve go first, because he he had time to marinate on this, mind you.
SteveYeah, I saw it, um, didn't know anything about it going into it, so I didn't know the concept of eternity was the central premise in the film. But I liked it, man. I liked it. I think sitting there, even like before it ended, I was like, bro, if I could make films, these are the type of films I would make, right? And I just like when I've said this so many times, man, but I really, really, really, really love when the filmmaker puts something on screen and all they're trying to say is that love is the answer, right? Or when they're just talking about love, or when they're just talking about, you know, because I think if we don't have that, then what what even do we what do we have? So I like what you said about you know, it's not angelic or like demonic or religious, yeah, or religious. It's just this could play play out anywhere because like that doesn't derail the subject, that doesn't, you know, detract, you know. Someone says, Oh, what about Satan and God? And she's like, Oh, you're one of those, like, here's this eternity for you if you believe in that stuff.
OfiliBut you really call it classic afterlife, yeah.
SteveI'm dead, but yeah, no, I really, really like the and I like the cinematography, probably my favorite part of the whole thing. Um, we've gone through this era where no film is colored or there's no light in films, and this one, every shot is full of light, they're full of colors. Um, so I loved that as well, and I love the performances, man. Like I can't I couldn't complain about any of the performances, really. I know someone on this pod is going to talk about it very soon, complained about a specific performance, but I like them all, man, you know, and yeah, yeah, great film for me. Let's go.
OfiliWhat are you saying?
MisganaUm, so I watched this film on I think Friday, yeah. I watched this film Friday. I didn't know anything about it before going in, to be honest. I didn't watch any trailer or anything like that. I think that's kind of been my mode of watching movies nowadays, unless I see previews of them. So I went in blind um with one of my friends, and um she was excited. She was like, Yeah, I'm excited to like watch the ro mantic movie. I was like, okay, cool, yeah, whatever. Callum is in it. So I was like, Yes, I'm gonna go sing it. Like, what do you mean? Um, but I enjoyed the film as a whole, um, but I was very frustrated with Joanne, Elizabeth's uh all since character. Um mainly because don't spoil the end.
OfiliWe will we're we're not a spoiler-free podcast, to be honest. We've tried, we we're not, but let's I let's at least keep the end. Okay.
MisganaOh, I'm not I'm not gonna spoil the end. I I just I I just think that Joanne was I I don't I I don't know if this is spoiling, but indecisive in what she wanted, period. And personally, I was really upset on how Luke was treated in the film. That's like I was really, really upset because you're telling me 67 years waiting in the period of oh, like I'm gonna meet my love of the my life, whatever, whatever. And I don't know, he just deserved a little bit of more care. I I hope that doesn't spoil anything, but yeah, I think that was my frustration, but and also another thing I didn't understand, Ryan and his sexuality. I was like confused.
OfiliLet's maybe maybe I feel like angelic beans don't really that they I think just by nature they don't operate on a binary, you know.
MisganaSure, sure. But it was it was very interesting how that was that played out.
OfiliI was like, whoa, what's crazy how you didn't talk about Luke's sexuality, also not gonna say anything. But that was a key point that he mentioned.
MisganaOh yeah, yeah. Um but uh I mean I don't know. I I don't know what to say about Luke's sexuality, but I think Ryan's he presented in a way where I understood him to be either like pan, queer, or uh gay. Then when he caught with and I was like, whoa, what's going on? So that's the only thing. But um I did enjoy the film. I think I gave it two and a half out of five because of my frustration, but beyond that, I satisfied.
OfiliI I feel like I always have issues with your first reviews or your first ratings of a film, and when you go back and you edit them, then I'm like, okay, I can she's calm down.
MisganaYeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna change this review, I promise. 2.5 in a setting there, it's staying there.
OfiliSteve, Steve, you gotta go at her now.
SteveNo, I think I think I I think I know, at least I don't know you, know you, but I uh your movie habits. I feel like I've gotten to know you really well from pulling your letterboxd and talking of talking films with you, and I knew you weren't going to like this. Like soon as soon as I saw you couldn't, you didn't even have to tell me, bro. Like, I just knew you weren't going to like it, and you were going to find a problem or an issue, which is probably valid, but I think you have a very low tolerance for when certain demographic or certain people are allowed to eat their cake and have it, or when certain people are given certain freedoms on screen. I don't think you take that really well, and this is this is that. But to to just to answer your to say your point about Joanne, that was also a flaw of the film for me. Not necessarily her indecisiveness. I think that was the point, right? But it was even when she thought she knew what she wanted, or when she knew what she wanted, it's almost like she was still waiting for something to convince her, or waiting for something to like, you know, waiting for something to be sure, or something to make her sure. And at the end of the day, she got to I'm not gonna spoil it, but at the end of the day, she kind of got to eat her cake and have it. Which they spent the whole film telling us that you can't eat your cake and have it. That was like the main thing that they kept spitting back spitting out to us. And they showed us somebody that tried to eat their cake. They made a point. Like that wasn't we didn't infer that. The the film intentionally chose to show us someone that tried to eat their cake and have it to show you what happens to people that tried to eat their cake and have it. Or for her to eat her cake and have it. So that was like okay.
MisganaShe was very reckless. Like very reckless.
OfiliI do want to say that that is crazy from Steve, from the true love persists guy.
MisganaIs this movie the true love? Is it really about true love?
OfiliI would say so. I would say so, man. That's kind of the central.
MisganaI think I think this movie is about comfort. In perspective of um Joanne, it's about comfort. Because think about it. I truly believe that.
SteveNo, no, no. Come on. Come on. I think I think in the train that scene is so important because I don't want to spoil. Ofili, we can't not spoil it. Yeah, like we can't not spoil it.
MisganaIn the train is a free dub.
SteveWhen she makes her first decision, right, to go with to Paris, where there's no men allowed or whatever. You know, um, Larry comes. Is his name? Larry? Larry comes. Yeah. And all of that, right? I think she's burdened with the fact that she has to make a decision, right? And whichever decision she makes not only affects um her, it affects two guys, and she doesn't want to do that to those two guys, but also she has to live with the consequence of whatever choices she makes. And so she just chooses a non-option. But when she comes there, it's like this guy's telling her, you know what, like you've gotten this, you've gotten this life, go have this life. So that first decision she makes wasn't necessarily based on like love or anything. It was more, okay, I've experienced this, and the reason why I didn't want to choose this is because like I would have to live with the with the consequences of return. Yeah, the burden of of having to, you know what I mean. But you there's no way you watched her go into the archives multiple times, multiple times, and think she was craving comfort. It wasn't comfort that she was craving.
MisganaThat's that's what she was, though. Because think about it. For somebody to wait 67 years, this was one of the frustrations I had.
OfiliYeah.
MisganaLuke waited 67 years, right?
OfiliBut that's not her burden. That's not on her.
MisganaNo, this is her burden. That's not my cross to carry, man. That's the part that Luke waited 67 years. This was the burden that she had. And the burden is this. She chose, she went to Luke, she said, okay, let's go to the mountains. And I also I don't think he wanted to go to the mountains. She wanted to go to a mountains. She wanted to go to the mountains, yeah. Yeah. So he no, I I think the mountains was his.
SteveNo, it was her.
OfiliIt was her. I don't think it was his. It was Larry. Okay, so what what we'll see, this is where I think there's a bit of confusion because I felt the same way, kind of in the middle. Uh, so I think, and like I know we throughout the film, there's like a lot of transference from her experiences with Luke and what she idealized with Luke onto Larry. And I think when Larry first came and he was talking about the mountains as one of the options that oh, we can go up to the mountains, you know, we don't have pain anymore, blah blah blah. I think that was a Luke desire because the thing was Luke and Larry go choose your own eternities, then she'll come join it. She'll test it out. Then she ended up going to the mountains.
SteveI think you're missing I think you missed the part of the film. This was even before she died, right? Where she he Larry does say like she likes the mountains, but like he doesn't want the code or something like that, or he doesn't want to live in that whatever, but that she will like it. So that was that was her. That was all her.
OfiliI think that is again another thing that is I think it's exactly like the dox scene. Like, I think it's another thing that's kind of like transferred. Like she likes the mountains because in her.
SteveYou're saying from her previous from her time with look, okay.
OfiliYeah, from a time of look, like that is part of because I think a okay, sorry, Misgana, I'm not going to lie. Um, actually, I gotta say this since everybody's talking about things that they didn't like and I didn't do that. I'm gonna tell you what I didn't like about this fucking film. Okay, Da'Vine Joy Randolph went to fucking Yale for acting school. Fucking um Miles Teller, Elizabeth Olsen both went to NYU. You see, fucking Callum Turner, that nigga was self-taught. You can see him being self-taught.
MisganaLike I'm not saying, you know, the chemistry was 10 out of 10 and everything. I'm saying I like Callum.
OfiliDown to the expressions and the micro expressions on his face and just the delivering of lines. Jesus Christ.
SteveI think he had the I think he had the easiest role in the film, but he had the easiest role in the film.
OfiliI'm not gonna lie, also, he's he's acted the same I'm a military guy in his last like three or four films.
MisganaLike I've been watching on the TV show other films. I don't think I've ever watched any of it.
SteveReally? I don't want to I don't want to let what Misgana said go.
MisganaSo yeah, so this is what I wanted to say, right? 67 years, that's not her burden to carry. He should have moved on. We can all agree to that. Yeah, absolutely. However, right, you chose to go to the mountain with Luke. She kept going back to the archives. I'm like, this man waited for 67 years, and you can't even give him the time and space to actually like give you a life that you would want to appreciate without having to go back. I don't think he had a fair chance.
OfiliI think he had just I think he had a very fair chance, but I think the problem innately is that yes, he waited 67 years. First of all, she didn't ask anything to wait 67 years. I'm not sure.
MisganaI know I didn't say she waited.
OfiliSecondly, secondly, I mean she waited too, not gonna lie. Like, you know, things move quick, things move a different way.
MisganaShe waited like two months and then. No, it was two years.
OfiliCome on, it was two years, it was two years. But also, I think what also happened is that yes, he was paused and he chose to pause, whereas she grew. She developed as a person, she had experiences. He the person that he married at the time prior to his death, before he went back on war, back to war, and uh all of that. That is a completely different person than the person that he's meeting, and I feel like he is he doesn't um he doesn't accept that fully. Do you understand what I mean? Mm-hmm. And I think that is he he essentially like Because he doesn't know it. How don't you know that 67 years changes you?
MisganaI know, but like he got to know that, you know, when he was when she was telling him about his uh her grandkids and everything, he was like, I I actually don't want to hear about this because you know I was supposed to be that person. I missed out on the opportunity to live that life with you. So he recognized it. It's not like he's like oblivion to it. My my thing is Luke never had a fair chance, and she was reckless with the decision of wanting to go with Luke for the sake of wanting to go with Luke because Larry asked. Like, girl, like let's be serious.
OfiliAgain, I I think Luke generally just didn't give himself a chance because looking at this situation very clearly, this couple, you're into you're interrupting. I'm so sorry, I'm so fucking sorry. Like, he's obviously interrupting in a lot of like their little small moments, their little bickering, their little like hiccups here and there. He's he's out of place, but like the problem is that he's also like throughout the film, they frame him as an object of desire. Yeah, like he's a potential or alluring life that she might have missed out on. Like, that is what and I think he really embodies that and he hates it because of all that the perfect, perfect, perfect talk, and um, yeah, I I think emotionally, yeah.
SteveI don't know, it's reckless. Put yourself in the situation one, like put your make yourself wait, wait, wait. If if if if you left high school, right, and some guy that did in high school, you know, you went to college, you graduated college, you started working, you know, 10-15 years, you go back home, and this guy's telling you that he still loves you, he's always loved you since, you know, you always whatever. Do you owe him anything?
MisganaNo, no, it's a shared, there's a difference. It's a shared love. It's not a one-sided love.
SteveIt's it's a shared love, but life has moved on for her, like what we need to say.
MisganaI totally understand that. The part that I'll the part that I'll say is an ex coming back, isn't it? I I love you, we love both of you love each other wrong time, whatever. Yeah, and then I moved on. And I can look back and be like, oh yeah, like that would be great. But if I give that person a chance, I have to remember to remove myself or accuse myself from the situation of dealing with uh the current person. Sorry.
OfiliNo, I hear what you're saying. I I think okay, some of my questions do kind of like feed
Two versions of love the film explores through Joan
Ofiliinto this. So the first question I'm gonna ask you is like, okay, so when we look at the afterlife setting and we look at the two versions of love that shaped Joanne, I know earlier you were talking about it is a comfort, you know. Uh, and Steve and I kind of like disagreed slightly because I don't believe comfort was the main decision-making um unit or sex or category, whatever, that made her, you know, do what she did in the end. But I'm curious about how you feel like the two different types of love, like, you know, Larry really represents like the comforts of adulthood and the routine that love builds, whereas, you know, you're looking at Luke, and that is more so like a youthful love, and the love, like, you know, that also feels like it feels a bit um interrupted since his life ended.
MisganaYeah, I think like I'm not saying like they would be lovers uh in eternity because 67 years is a long time, and you change and also it's they're they were they met up at their primitive years of life, so they have like she's become a mother, she's become a grandmother and everything. But I think you know, if she chose Larry from the beginning, I would be like, okay, makes sense, because you build a life with this person, and when you think about marriage, if we're going to through the traditional doctrine way of like, oh, till death to what part, and like it they have eternity now, and they're like, Oh my god, this would be like good to continue, they could have built on that, but I don't know. I I think comfort is the movie, the title of the movie. I don't like when Larry asked how do you know you love Joanne, he couldn't interpret correctly what like what made him love Joanne. I'm sorry, if somebody if my man was asked, Oh, how do you love Misg ana? and he's like, I don't know, the door right now. Because if you can't that is I don't know, man.
OfiliI don't know.
SteveI think that's such a that's me. No, I think that's such a juvenile thing, though. Like the the the give me five reasons why you love me, or ten things you love about me. That's something that when you're you're six months, three months into the relationship, seven you can bang it out. When you're 65 years into the relationship, right? You know this person better than you know like your own back. Like you know, like you know this person very, very well. You know what I mean? Like you know everything that there is to know about them, and you're with them. There is not one thing like you love about them, you love them in their to their very essence. Yeah, like you love it.
MisganaWell, it's not even a single moment, but like, how do you know you love this person? How it's not even like oh, what are your top, whatever? How do you know you love Joanne? And Larry went silent, and he didn't he couldn't pinpoint like a moment, like when people are like, Oh, how do you know you love so the shared experience or whatever like over and over in the film he continuously talks?
OfiliWell, like it's not just him, even the neighbor talks about how he does everything to make her happy. Does everything that's not love?
MisganaThat's just not love.
OfiliNo, I think I think that is. I think I think what an act of service. I think that is a definition of a love language. Like, I think that is a very big thing. I think sacrifice is a massive part of love.
SteveI think so too.
OfiliWe have whole religions based off of the idea of sacrifice is love.
MisganaSo I don't know if you can say you do something for me, so that means you love me. I I don't know what it is, but for me that just doesn't so well.
SteveWhat about what about the central the the quote, the line where she goes, love is in one happy moment, it's a million, right? And you see that 100% agree. You see that in the archives when she's going through the archives, they're really with Luke, right? And they're living the happy moments, and she's watching the happy moments, but then when they get to the one sad moment, she turns away and she's like she doesn't want to, you know, see that because it's sad and whatever. But with Larry, she goes through every single moment, all the moments that like they'll they've shared when they're arguing, when they're fighting, when they're happy, when they're sad, like all of that, and it's the sacrifices, yes, like that's obviously what Larry does for her, and he sacrificed eternity for her, but it's also like the growing together and the life that they built together, right? Like she had cancer, and no one else knew that she had canter except Larry. Like she trusted all of that in him, and he was responsible for taking care of her and all of that stuff, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like we can't just discount the growing together and the 65 years, like you're talking about 67 years that man waited versus 65 years that she grew with this person and started like you have to remember it is that's love, man. Like, I don't know.
OfiliIt's also not like the only way he's showing love is by doing things for her. There's a lot of other things involved, as we can see in those videos, which again, I do love another like film within a film thing.
SteveYeah, I love that play theme. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OfiliYeah, I feel like that's been a theme across movies that I've been watching, like Hamlet's Sentimental Value. Yeah, I've been loving all of that, and I didn't expect to see that here. But Misge, I I feel like, you know, you're not being a bit fair here.
MisganaI don't know, man.
OfiliI think you just wanted the more attractive brother, you know. You just want the you just want the harder brothers. Did you did you defend um what's the space?
MisganaI'm not I'm not that kind of uh gal. I I feel like you know, like, yes, there is the action of doing something for somebody you love, but also I don't know, like you can be 67 years into a marriage and be miserable. Doesn't mean like you know, people settled. That's true, that's true. I think like when somebody for her, she didn't, big boss, you know. She she found him, and also to some degree, I feel like yes, like he came, he swooped on her feet, he wanted to do stuff for her, he wanted to care for her. I'm sorry. If if if you're telling me in the 1900s, I I haven't allowed to care for me, and he's saying I'm I'm somebody to you shit, I will marry you. Like, why wouldn't I? But I'm saying, like, if somebody's asking you why, like, I think of the movie like past lives and like other movies where I'm like, okay, like they are not like they actually have this ache of love for this person that they can't like they can't imagine life without them. Life is better with them and being around them, and I don't think that was shared in this movie.
OfiliI I feel like I disagree. Um, but speaking of other movies with I think Steve was gonna talk about materialists at one point, and I had a question, so I felt like if we boil down this film even a little bit more, I do feel like it's a film about a choice between stability or comfort, as Misgana would say, and possibility.
MisganaOh, I like the and the unknown.
OfiliWhat'd you say?
MisganaUm uh possibility of the unknown, I would go to possibility of the unknown.
OfiliSo choosing between memory and lived experience. So would you guys agree or would you disagree?
MisganaYeah, I think um I was saying earlier, like uh I was talking to my housemates and they were like, yeah, we enjoyed eternity, but we didn't enjoy materialist, that's a theme that I've seen. Um but I think it it kind of holds the same thing, you know, when we're boiling it down to why she chose Larry is because she felt valued and she felt she felt like you know this was the right choice.
OfiliWhich is interesting. I I will I will say it's interesting because in materialist, I would actually say Pedro Pascal's character is the one that represents stability.
MisganaIn terms of money, yeah.
OfiliJust that I mean terms of money and just like the way they they operate as well. But also money is a really the call but the film is called the materialist. Like money is a core.
MisganaYeah, yeah, no, no, I get it. But we're talking about like it's different themes. Eternity, like your guarantee, your stuff-relief, nothing to worry about, you know, but like real-world stuff you have to consider money, unfortunately.
OfiliBut also, Pedro Pascal's character was also was also much more emotionally stable. Do you get what I mean? Like their relationship because he had money. It was nothing to do. I don't think it was it was not just about the money.
MisganaPeople are stable because they have money. They have nothing to do with it.
OfiliI mean like emotionally, like more like Chris. Ah fuck it. Yeah, it might be about the money. It might be about it. It was about the money, yeah. I think I think I know it was about the money.
MisganaI mean like he might be stable, but the better option always because of if you don't know struggle, then you know, you don't know suffering or emotional ache.
SteveI think the choices there in materialistic, like it's not easy to juxtapose that with eternity, because with materialists, she did not really know there wasn't the memory or anything with Pascal.
OfiliPascal was purely Yeah, but the memory was with um Yeah. Was uh fucking hell, what's his name? Captain America.
SteveYeah, yeah, yeah.
OfiliChris Chris, yeah, Chris Evans.
SteveYeah, Chris Evans, yeah. I'm saying in Eternity, she had memories of both of them, right? But obviously, Miles Teller represents or Larry represents a lived experience, like the actual lived experience, while Callum Turner is just a memory. But um in materialists, uh Chris was just a memory. But yeah, what you were saying, I think that's that's ultimately what guided a decision. I think it's you know, someone was a happy memory, which by all accounts he was, and when you die, you go back to when you were happier. She went back to who she was when he died, right? And so that's that tells you all you need to know about okay, what he represents for her and what he means to her. And like the the scene when again that train scene that I really isn't talked about, but I feel like was so good because that's when Larry tells her your hair, you know, you have long hair, long hair.
MisganaThank you.
SteveHe had it when you were with him. So, like Callum does represent the happiest point of her life, right? But I think Joanne, okay, Misgana, she says this. This is even what like I took away from the film. This one she said it herself. It's like there's more to this than just a happy memory, which is all or what Callum was like the love that they shared, it was. Short, it was juvenile, it was youth, and it was like very, very, very untested, heavy on the untested, you know what I mean. And that's what allowed him to be a happy, fleeting memory. The love that she had, conversely, with Larry, was very tested, it was drawn out, it was long, it was good, it was bad, it was ugly, it was bickering, and it was, you know, putting together the baby cut together when she was pregnant, and like when he I think he lost his job, or in one of those things, he was like depressed or whatever, and she had to take care of him and all of that. And so it's like I think that's what makes her pick him. It's not necessarily comfort, and it's easy to see it as comfort, I guess. But I think what you're saying is comfort, it's more I lived with this person, I built the life for this person, and I loved the life that I built with this person. Not necessarily that I was comfortable with the life, it's just like I loved it, you know.
OfiliYeah, I agree. I think to piggyback off that, I really like how I was gonna ask a question about the you know, returning to your happiest age reframe thing, and how we see for her, it's like you know, it's a time that she had with Oh boy, which is very interesting because it also does show that happiness is not a clean timeline, and it also feels like you know, truly, like memory can be ridiculously selective, and sometimes like we're just you know, our identity is tied to versions of ourselves that we idealize, and when you return someone to like quote unquote their happiest age, it's just showing like that romantic history is just much more built on like emotion, yeah, you know, rather than the actual facts of how the rest of the relationship went and her relationship with him because damn yeah, she's not staying with him for 65 years, you know, if she's not happy.
MisganaWe don't know that.
OfiliI mean, yes, but like the fact that there's even a choice when she goes to the afterlife and is pledging way more than another 65. Like it's actual contemplation here. Yeah, she did not like opt out, she didn't like nah, get out of here.
MisganaBut like, no, think think about it. She didn't truth herself, you know. I and also we have to like remember that.
OfiliIf she really, really, really, really like, you know, she made a drunk, she made it no no no no no, she made a bad decision when she made a bad decision after going on a drunk night with the girls. What are you talking about? She went on a baby with the girls and made a crazy decision.
MisganaI'm given a choice. I will remember I can't live, breathe, or whatever without my person. Why didn't she pick him in the beginning? Yes, look would have been hurt, but that's not like you guys said, that's not her burden to carry.
SteveLike she did have forget. She did have love for look. Like, we're not a lot of love. We're not discounting that. So, like, it's not easy to just pick Larry.
MisganaShe has love for look, but also like you have to remember, like, loving somebody and having love for somebody is different. You can remember, like, you know, and also there was a constant reminder from Anna, her friend Karen, this is your time to pick for you. Yeah, and what she did do, she did she what she do, she caved and become reckless. Like, I think I don't care who she chose, you know. I I it's not even like who she chose that I'm like burdened by. It's more so like the recklessness of one's indecisiveness can impact people's lives. And I don't think like Luke deserved that. That's my main.
SteveI personally think Luke will be fine, man. I genuinely think that nigga will be fine.
MisganaI don't know, man. I just feel bad for homeboy.
OfiliLike, I don't really he's stuck in the mountain, he can't leave. I know, I think he wanted that, and I think unfortunately he never grew past the moment he died. Yeah. So yeah, it's and that was a choice.
MisganaI don't know, man. We have to we have to as much as Grace is given to Joanne, Grace should be given to Luke.
OfiliNo, I feel way worse for her.
MisganaThe like way worse.
OfiliYeah, absolutely.
unknownShe had choice.
OfiliNo, no, no. First of all, the amount of grief it takes to marry someone and have them die off, incredibly insane. Then be constantly worried that people also like the the presence of that whole thing looming over your next relationship, insane. Yeah, then just in every breath, she's carrying both joy and regret. Like, I don't know, man. Like, I I can I feel like there were even some lines where she said she talked about even like he's always in her memory and always in her mind, there isn't a day that goes by. And the fact the amount of pain that that yeah holds on its own is insane. The weight of the thing is. Absolutely, and like when you're when someone dies, you almost always like like even the moments where you're at peace or you're feeling happiness, you almost start to regret or feel guilty that you're you're having a fun time or you're okay. And now to be fully confronted with this, with this person in front of you saying, Oh yeah, you had your whole life without me. Crazy. Damn.
MisganaI don't know. I I think yes, grief is a hard thing to to grieve somebody and to also move on while they are still and you know they're not living is a hard thing. But also to be burdened with the decision and uh not understand what it weighs even is is very reckless. I I don't think it was fair. Like he he could have decided to stay in the uh that's it.
SteveYou've answered your question.
OfiliYou've answered his question.
SteveHe chose he chose, he chose so it can't be but it's not unfair, it's not unfair.
MisganaShe chose reckless.
SteveThat was that was on him. Guys, Misgana, that was on him. That's what I've been trying that's what we've been trying to say. It's like and you just said he could have chosen to do anything else, but he chose to do this. Anything else?
MisganaNo, he could have chosen after she decided to choose Larry, you know? She wanted Larry, she should have stayed with Larry. You know, if the once the decision came, she should have just gone on her own or stayed with Larry. She should have not bring Luca into the mix. She could have been like, hey, you know, this was a distance memory for me. I've lived my life. I'm sorry that you waited for this decision.
StevePossibility of the unknown, but nothing, nothing would have changed for him. What would have changed for him? He was still going to go off to his eternity and do whatever. So like nothing would have changed for him.
MisganaNo, yeah, that would have changed for him. But to also, you have to think about it. 67 years waited. She chose him. Yes. Right? Yes. Let's not forget that. She chose him. Yeah. She went to the mountains. She took the fantasy of life.
OfiliShe didn't choose him. She got pushed to choosing him by Larry. She was going to be Private's land to be.
MisganaUltimately, who's the decision maker?
OfiliThe only person that she chose was actually Larry. Guys, Larry chose Luke for her, actually. Larry sacrificed himself and his eternity.
MisganaOkay, just because somebody says here's where you know. I don't know, man. I don't know.
SteveCan I ask you guys a question? Can I ask you guys? Let's start debating Team X or Team Y. Love wins. Um
If Eternity was real, when would be your happiest?
Stevedo you guys think No Fred die?
MisganaLove doesn't win.
SteveDo you guys think, God forbid, but if there was a real version of eternity and you died and you went there, do you think you've reached the happiest age or do you think that's in the future?
MisganaI think I have lived uh my happiest times. Damn.
SteveUm Are you okay?
MisganaYeah.
SteveDo you need a hug?
MisganaThat doesn't mean I feel like the best is not yet to come. Okay. I'm just saying, like, I have lived when I think of my life overall, like I have lived a very happy time. Especially for me, was my like childhood with my siblings. Um that's what I think about. But that doesn't mean like there isn't I I don't think there's anything that will be better than what what the happiest memories for me, but there can be a possibility of a similarity um experience. Okay. But I don't think for me, like I don't know, I don't want to speak into the future, but I don't think a man will change that. I'm so sorry, Chris.
SteveI'm so sorry. Yo, I hope that you're going to meet, like, have a family and a man or whatever, a life that's going to beat that. I hope that for your sake. But I kind of do agree with you though. I I think for one, bro, I don't think life is ever going to get better than watching the Messi man. So there is just that one tiny aspect. I think, you know, he gave me life once upon a time, and yeah, 2020, 20, 2007, 2022. Steve is gonna be one of them. I will be.
OfiliOne of them 10-year-old boys in eternity, right?
SteveI will be. I genuinely will be. But also, like the idea, like before I came to the US, life was just straightforward, man. Like, life was just, you know, like I didn't have to walk free. Like, I didn't have to leave my house and worry about like certain things that like things did not exist. Like the concept of certain things just didn't, I didn't even have to think about them, you know what I mean? Yeah, and like it was a different like I get happy now times and I see my friends and I get happy, but it's a different type of happiness, right? I know it's on the timer, I know it comes with a cost, I know I'm going to pay for it in some way or the other. But back home, man, life was just you know, sweet, man.
MisganaIt was just sweet. It's really sweet.
SteveYeah, so I think I think for me, um, if I died and I had to go to internality, I think my happiness would definitely be at some point in Nigeria. Definitely. Fair enough. Yeah, Ophelie.
MisganaOphilly.
OfiliUh I I refrain from answering. I do not please the pee. I please the fifth, my guy. You let us go, and then you just you just crazy. Y'all can y'all can chat about that, you know.
MisganaSure, sure.
OfiliMr. Mr. 10-year-old boy over here. I don't even remember what your answer was, but that was kind of crazy as well. I'm dead. Oh yeah.
ETERNITY's set design
OfiliHow did you guys feel about set design for the film? I think that's another thing that I really enjoyed. Yeah.
MisganaYeah.
SteveTerrific.
MisganaReally, really did enjoy it. Yeah.
SteveInventive.
MisganaAlso, we have to talk about how, like, you know, there were like nine-year-old kids and then like 20, I mean a hundred-year-old people like making the decision of eternity. I think that's something that could be talked about, but sorry.
OfiliWait, as part of the set design, or just like the film, just the film itself. Okay, yeah. I mean, there were I mean, some of them are not real nine-year-old kids. That's why I was making a joke right now. But like, you know, but I guess in terms of set design, I think it works because of how minimalistic it is. It is not too much fantasy, and it's not stuck on you know, when I was thinking about this, I thought they would do like some CGI AI thing, yeah, some weird portals. But no, I really fucking enjoyed this, and like the different characters displaying the different um the different eternities, and I loved how it was just honestly just like fucking it's like a job fair, yeah. Like you sell your soul forever, like it's just so fucking funny, and you're stuck, you're stuck, you're nowhere else. You you pick one, yeah. And I really enjoyed the variety, even with the minimalistic design and the concepts, because I think again, it just kind of lined up that I watched this right after watching Rental Family, and this just was you know, it just appealed to me, like the different experiences, different people that you become, yeah, different things that you're seeing. So it was just really cool for me.
SteveYeah, I think I I think in the past year, in the past 12 months, I've seen uh Fallout, Silo, one battle after another, and now this one where there's a fake sunrise or a fake skyline. You know what I mean? And I was like, oh, that's weird that that's happened four fucking times in the past year. But this one, um, I really, really liked it, man, because it's mostly what you just said. They didn't try to um do very, very grand things or build this like superbly, like very immersive world or anything. We don't even know where like it is or where certain things come from or where they grow certain stuff. Like they don't, they didn't they don't try to, you know, very granular, like they need building a world, like tell us exactly where the soil comes from and where the water comes from. No, they they just they just put it there, and it's very simple and it's very easy to follow, but it looks good as hell, right? So, why are you really questioning? I'm not really questioning anything, you know what I mean? Um, I think it's inventive in in some ways, especially you know, the concept is novel, it's a new, it's a relatively original story. So it's inventive in some ways. The archives, I've seen stuff like that in certain films, but I haven't seen it done that way. Usually, when I see like lit relive memories through archives, it's usually like silhouettes or stick figures. Like I think um um Candyman that was Nia Da Costa, she was telling the history and she used like stick figures and and like shadows, you know, like when you put someone's yeah, so that's usually how I see like archives told. But this one has them acting, has them in the memories, and I thought that was just so great, especially when she's like running through the archives and back when she starts interacting with it, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I that when when you do something that's very it's very simple, it's a play. You're putting a play on stage and telling them just act. But obviously, like for when they were building the cuts, the baby, the bed for the baby, they used an actual real cut, but when they were doing the drive, when they were doing the car and arguing in the car, they used a fake car. It's like you don't have to, you know, have everything be very granular, have everything be very mechanical, bro. It can just be that it can be a plastic or a wooden car for stuff, and then the stuff that you can do, you do it, but just make it look good. Like we're going to eat it up, and no one's gonna complain.
OfiliI think you can take those liberties when you actually earn the audience's attention through good storytelling. Do you get me? The dialogue is actually good and the concept is actually interesting. You can take those liberties, but yeah, that's I really enjoy that. That's fair.
MisganaYeah, and also the wallpaper. The wallpaper is defer per um archives. So that was I think that was really cool. Yeah, um, because I was like, wait, what is this? And then you can just look at the detail of the drawing, and it's like then by the um coast, yeah, whatever they were at, and stuff. So I think it was I I really loved it. I I love the color saturation of it. Loved it. Um yeah, I'm a film person, so like you know, it was really cool to to to see uh yeah, the contrast of it. Okay. Like it looks like it was shot on like some Kodak film. Oh, that's cool. But yeah.
Comfort in death vs the anxiety of the unknown
OfiliOkay. So before we wrap up and give our final ratings, I have one more question to ask both of you. And I know we don't have that much time yet, but okay, do you think this film is meant to comfort us about death or unsettle us about how little we understand ourselves?
MisganaTo me, it's about not being reckless. Like, stop being reckless about your decisions, people. I think it's about uh how one we're indecisive uh human beings, how we want to have things like you know, the the situation of like things to just work out and for us to just be um the end the last bit of it and just reap whatever is given to us. Um I think mainly I I don't know, I mean I really walked out of this movie and I was like, I don't want to be this reckless um when deciding. That's what I took out of it. It wasn't love, it wasn't stability, it wasn't comfort, it wasn't picking the hottest guy in the room. It was just about how decisions I mean, same thing as materialists, like what do you value and your decisions do make impact in that, so yeah.
SteveI think if if I was presented with the two options you gave, I would go with comfortness about death, right? Because like it doesn't it doesn't paint death Steve, you're so Catholic, bro. It doesn't it doesn't paint death in the way that we know death, right? Like there's no Grim Ripper, there's no Azrael, there's no devil, there's no Satan, there's none of the spiritual myth mythical creatures that we know about that we've come to um register or align with death, you know what I mean? It's really a comforting, like bro, eternity afterlife looks beautiful as hell, and it's you get to pick where you want to go. Like that's comforting, as opposed to like telling us that or tell us that we know little about ourselves. I feel like most people other than Joanne came into eternity knowing very like a fair amount or a decent amount about themselves and what they liked and what they wanted and stuff like that. So, but overall, like if those were not the two options, counter every single thing Misgana just says literally the opposite of everything that she just gave is my answer. I think I think it's love, love, love, love, love, love, and I think it's just screaming into the void. No pun intended, it's if you don't pick an eternity, you go into the void. But I think it's screaming into the void that love is the answer, and like you know, that's that that's what it should be about.
OfiliThat's fair.
SteveYou have to answer one of these questions, man.
OfiliOkay, uh, I would say for this answer, it might sound like a cop out, but a bit of both. Okay, like Steve said, the You're killing me, man. The comfort for me is See indecisiveness. No, no, no, it's a bit of both. Because the comfort for me is in its tone and visuals, but the question the film is asking is deeply unsettling about how well do you understand yourself? Okay, like it's just a very gentle reminder that you carry like through your memories, you carry an entire world inside of you, and the emotions that you have around certain things are not always like completely explored, some of them are not always factual, but it's just really sharp with his implications.
SteveYeah. You've actually, I know we said that was last question, but you just made me because I agree with your answer now. You're because you're saying, you know, how well do you know yourself? And that's the precursor to what eternity are you going to pick. So my question for you guys is what eternity would you pick in this in this world or in real world?
OfiliI I knew that question had to be asked, but I wanted to get off the pond before we asked it. Oh my god.
MisganaI don't I don't know which I would pick. I have to do that.
OfiliYou have five seconds right now. So snatch.
MisganaI need to see the whole catalog.
OfiliYou saw you just saw them. You just saw them.
MisganaI think the beach is everybody's choosing. I might choose um the mountain. Okay. Uh yeah, I think I might choose You're killing me, man.
SteveI think I'll pick one where art is the currency. So whatever form of art that is.
OfiliSo if it's uh Didn't you see that guy run away from the museum?
SteveWhich oh the the guy that by the way, yeah.
OfiliIt was like it's so fucking boring.
SteveIt would have to be like it's not just like visual, you know, paintings and canvases and stuff. If if there was like film, theater, music, stuff like that, that's where I would go. Like performing arts. I think that's where they will find me for sure.
MisganaFunny enough, I did see one that said I'm picking the AMC A list. So I will choose that. Okay. Okay, fine. You know, I already chose my eternity.
OfiliOkay.
MisganaI'm with them.
OfiliOffery. Uh Misge, read five out for me.
MisganaI don't know.
SteveThere was there was like read five eternities for you. Yeah, read five. There was the beach, there was the mountains, there was the capitalism one.
MisganaThere was the Nazi free one.
OfiliThe Nazi free one. That was a good one. That was, you know, if you're German, and you know that was a time for you. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.
MisganaThere was um they went to the worst one.
SteveThere was Yorkdale, which is the one that they went to. That's terrible. Um there was the religious one, you know. Um the uh the classic the classic afterlife, yeah.
OfiliUm and I'm sure there were anything. I think I would probably choose if I if I had to. Um man, let's bro.
SteveListeners, listeners, you haven't like leave comments pressuring a few to answer questions, man.
OfiliLike what are them? Oh man, okay. I I probably would choose um anything similar to the my my cop-out answer is like the Hobbits eternity. So anything that kind of looks like the Shire in the Hobbit, where like all the Hobbits are and they chill and they vibe and they eat and they yeah, that is my eternity.
SteveI'm shaking my head. Okay. Yeah, I'm shaking my head.
MisganaI mean, it's his choice, yeah.
SteveMy bad. Anyway, ratings. Okay, let's wrap this up. Um Misgana, you go first.
Misgana2.5. I'm sticking with my 2.5.
SteveSo that's a five. 5 out of 10. Okay.
MisganaCrazy. Um sorry.
SteveI'm going to go first because I saw Phyllis Rating, and that's my rating, but I want to say first so that it's like more entertaining. But I first gave it a 9, and then I was like, you know what? Like, I just saw too many holes with it. Um, but it's a high eight, so I'm going 8.5. Because it was good, man. It's original.
MisganaHe put it a heart. He put a heart in from from everything I've said.
SteveFrom everything I've said, you can't tell that I love this film. I don't know, man. I don't know. There's no way. But not give it a lot. I noticed that not many people gave it a heart, though. Like, people would give it high ratings and not give it a heart. I'm like, it feels like the opposite. It feels like they should get the heart and not such a high rating.
MisganaNah, they're not as much of a lover boy as you are, I guess.
SteveThat's such a crazy I know.
OfiliIt was a good eight, eight point five, yeah. Like I said, uh like Steve said, it's a it's a high 8.5, and I rated it pretty good. And I think one thing that carried my ratings, and I think this was because I had just come from Thanksgiving with family, and you know, Christmas is coming up, and you're gonna think about what we can watch with the family. Yeah, you know, yeah. So I think this carried me up from like an eight or a 7.5 to an 8.5 because this is something that you can put on with family, yeah, and it wouldn't be too polarizing. Or like people that watch salt burn with their family. Insane. I remember Miss Ganon.
SteveVery interesting. Do us the honors, wrap it up.
MisganaUh, thank you guys for watching and hearing the pod, as always. Uh, please do come back for more podcasts. Uh happy holidays.
OfiliHappy holidays.
MisganaYeah, we'll see you soon.
OfiliOkay. Okay. Bye.
MisganaBye.
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